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- This is part 3 of 5 of the rec.arts.bonsai/alt bonsai FAQ.
- This posting contains:
- Section 5 -- Frequently Asked Questions!
- Section 6 -- Soil
-
- Section 5 -- Frequently Asked Questions!
-
- Q: How do I start?
-
- Opinion 1) Get as many books as you can. Read them..look
- at the pictures. Look in your local phone book and see if
- there is a bonsai club in your area. Talk to local Nursery
- operators and see if they know of any clubs in your area.
- Select a tree that has some of the basic design that you'd
- like to have in your final tree, and buy it..use the info
- you got from reading, and from the local club/nursery
- owner (if he knows what bonsai is!).
-
-
- Opinion 2) Indoors: Remember that immature plants should
- not be treated as bonsai, they must be treated as the
- houseplants they are. Give them plenty of soil to grow in
- and don't use too little fertilizer, or they won't develop
- branches and leaves when you cut them and the trunk won't
- grow in thickness.
-
-
- Q: As a beginner, should I purchase a mature or partially
- trained bonsai, or start from scratch?
-
- Opinion 1) I think you should start from scratch. Your
- first attempts may never be 'show quality', but you can
- make a few mistakes without damaging a tree you paid for.
- It may take a bit longer to arrive at something that looks
- the way you want it to, but bonsai is (usually) not one of
- those instant gratification hobbies. If you get the proper
- book and some guidance, starting with some inexpensive
- nursery stock may yield some 'instant bonsai' which allows
- the beginner to learn, while allowing you to own something
- that looks like a 'real bonsai'. Stay away from trees
- labeled 'Bonsai' in MOST discount stores. Numerous people
- have seen some discount chains with dead or dying seedlings
- planted in shallow trays with a solid mat of pebbles glued
- down over the soil. The trees had not been watered, and
- even if they were, the water couldn't penetrate the ground-
- cover. They were marked $10.00...
-
- Opinion 2) The question should really be: Should I start
- from scratch with a small seedling, or with a plant that is
- larger. Neither will give you "instant bonsai". The larger
- will have a thicker trunk from the beginning, and thus will
- look "almost like a tree" sooner. A younger plant gives you
- greater freedom in which shape to train it into. You get to
- use different methods on them, the larger lends itself to
- cutting down, the smaller to cutting away to encourage
- other growth.
-
- (And by all means, if you see a shaped tree you really want,
- the price is right, it looks healthy and undamaged, and is of
- a species you know is hardy or of a sort you already have,
- and therefore know you can take care of -- it _is_ OK to
- buy it.)
-
-
-
- Q: Is there a list of which plants that are accepted as 'good'
- to start a bonsai? (Latin names, and if to be in- or out-doors
- please)
-
- Ficus benjamina Indoors
- Fast grower, hardy. Easy to get the leaves small. Suitable
- for many different shapes.
-
- Ficus retusa Indoors
- Similar to benjamina, leaves grow in a different pattern.
-
- Ficus pumila Indoors
- If you want a cascade, this is the way to go. Cut often to
- prevent it from going long and thin. May die if the roots dry
- out totally.
-
- Schefflera arboricola Indoors
- Schefflera actinophylla Indoors
- Can be cut down enormously, buy a 50cm plant and cut it down
- to 10cm! Must be shaped completely without wiring. Takes
- correct treatment to get the leaves small.
-
- Crassula argentea Indoors
- Portulacaria afra Indoors
- Succulents with small leaves, branch easily.
-
- Malpighia cocciera Indoors
- Slow grower.
-
- Murraya paniculata Indoors
- Slow grower. Gets beautiful structured bark when still young.
-
- Myrthus communis cool winters
- Must be kept at around +10C in the winter.
-
-
-
- Q: I have trouble finding the 'right' pots for bonsai.
- (Either unavailable or too expensive) Are there alternatives?
-
- Q: I assume that the time & # of times to prune the trees/roots
- vary with the latitude. Anyone have data on that?
-
- The answer to this is a bit more complex than it would seem.
- It isn't just a case of latitude. Localized climatic
- conditions can and do play a much larger role in when to
- perform the common bonsai activities such as pruning, and
- repotting, than the latitude. For instance, in the US, the
- Great Lakes have a climatic effect in a strip around them
- that extends from about 10 miles to well over 50 miles in
- width depending on if you measure on the eastern or western
- edge of the lakes. What you need is the USDA zone map and
- a chart comparing the climate of some of the cities in Japan
- for min. winter temp, earliest frost, last frost, avg.
- precipitation. etc. Unfortunately I've seen a lot of people
- try to do this and come to the conclusion that the climate
- (at least in the US) has no parallel to that of Japan.
-
-
- Q: What are some good tools for beginners to purchase? They're
- rather expensive if you get true bonsai tools. It would be
- a shame to buy a $45 trimmer and then realize that it's only
- used during odd procedures or only for specific types of
- trees/styles.
-
- Section 6 -- Soils
-
- Special thanks to Reji Martin for most of the following section
- on soils. There has been some discussion of whether one single
- type (or size?) of soil caould actually be used from top to
- bottom in a pot, but I don't think there is a definite answer
- as of yet. So, as a general guideline, this info is widely
- accepted.
-
- BONSAI SOILS
-
-
- Sorry about taking so long to put this together, anyway as
- promised here it is.
-
- A good general rule of thumb (green, I hope) for all trees is
- a uniform mix of loam, peat, & sand. A good compost (the mix)
- should be a well-balanced one. The proportions of each will
- change according to the species of tree. For instance pines
- & junipers will prefer a mix which is principally sand;
- rhododendrons & azaleas like a peaty compost; while fruity &
- flowering trees like plenty of loam. A good suggestion would be
- that you try to match the original soil(s) the tree came with,
- if possible, if not the following chart will help;
-
- NOTE: The sand should be a coarse grit like substance to
- promote good drainage!
-
- TYPE SPECIES SAND PEAT LOAM
-
- General mix Most varieties 2 1 1
-
- Pine/Juniper 4 1 0
-
- Conifer mix Cypress, &
- other conifers 3 1 1
- General
- deciduous mix 2 1 1
-
- Fruit/Flower mix 1 1 2
-
- Lately I have been experimenting with soil mixtures, which seems
- to be the best way to understand soil mixtures. And it became
- quite obvious to me that some of my trees had been set back a
- years growth because the soil wasn't right . . . there was very
- little new root growth. And when I transplanted it into a good
- mix the new root growth was triple the amount of old root!
-
- The importance of good drainage cannot be emphasised enough
- as the roots require some air too! I have been covering the
- base of the pot with small gravel and then the putting the
- proper mix for the particular tree and to top it off a finely
- sifted loam to promote moss growth. A proper soil mix will allow
- for drainage while holding enough mosture for the plant without
- causing root rot, etc.
-
- (Editor's note: The fine soil on the top should be a VERY thin
- layer and is only really there to allow moss a good footing.)
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-
- Experimentation and observation is the best way to find the
- right soil mix for your tree(s). If you are in doubt use the
- above mentioned 'General mix'. Pines and junipers can be as
- much as 70-80 % sand!
-
-
-
-
- End of section 6 -- Soil
- End of Part 3 of 5 of the rec.arts.bonsai/alt.bonsai FAQ
- Continued in part 4
-